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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 351 for the 12th of july

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2015 richardsaunders here with you from

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the Bay Area San Francisco visiting

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friends and family getting over a little

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bit of jet lag before I head off to the

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amazing meeting and if you're coming to

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the amazing meeting tam in las vegas

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1013 i hope to see you and i hope you

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come up and say hello i'd love to meet

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you now this week's show as a result of

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my travels is a little bit of a well a

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little bit of a mix and match sort of

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show we've got some great interviews

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coming up with Heidi Robinson the raw

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skeptic really i'm very pleased Heidi's

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doing more interviews so I think she's

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very good out of folks she's going to be

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speaking to cath hughes who sadly lost a

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baby to whooping cough pertussis but

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some good news coming out of that if

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they can be there is and after that

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Heidi will talk to chris stevenson she

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caught up with chris stevenson that

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skepta camp in brisbane with some news

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about how you can help somebody

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suffering from cancer at the moment and

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let's hope it's a case of science to the

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rescue after that it's a couple of

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interviews I did last year at the

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paranormal faire enculer there'll be

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another one later in the year more about

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that later in the year I was interviewed

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by the website psychic reporter calm and

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good on them for having a skeptic on

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their website so you can hear my

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interviews and my points of view as

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given to normally a psychic website if

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that makes sense after that it's a week

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in science from our good friends of the

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Royal Institution of Australia www RI

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aus dog got a you I guess you should

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know that URL by now and to wind up the

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show to round off the show it's

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something from 2009 when I was on TV

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debating discussing debating astrology

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with one of Australia's foremost leading

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astrologers Milton black how did I fear

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how did i do find out towards

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the end of the show but before we get

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stuck into the skeptic zone a quick

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reminder that our good friends at the

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canberra skeptics and and they're very

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active folks ww Canberra skeptics dog

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today you and speaking about James Randi

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on the twenty-third of august this year

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at 1pm at King o'malley's irish pub

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that's a fun pub they're going to be

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screening and honest liar the wonderful

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film about James Randi the film that

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Randy and I to it australia with not so

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long ago if you haven't seen this

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documentary and honest liar and you're

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in the canberra area well why not go

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along again visit www canberra skeptics

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dot org delay you for more information

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but now it's time for me to run upstairs

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yes upstairs and have some more that

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lovely clam chowder i love so much when

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i visit the bay area clam chowder in a

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sourdough bowl with an ice-cold root

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i'm enjoying that i hope you enjoy the

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it's the raw skeptic report with Heidi

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Robertson recently on the skeptic zone

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we reported on the protests held around

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Australia concerning the new government

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legislation coming in which will see

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certain child care benefits withheld

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from parents who decide not to vaccinate

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their children the policy was reported

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in the media extensively and The Daily

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policy the protests were organised via

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Facebook and returned the no jab no pay

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no way protests Richard and some fellow

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Sydney protest whilst I also with some

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friends attended and reported on the

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Brisbane protest it was difficult for me

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to remain calm at that protest whilst

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hearing shaken baby syndrome blamed on

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vaccinations along with all the other

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surrounding vaccination what made it

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more difficult than usual was the fact

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that i went there directly from the

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the privilege of helping out an amazing

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lady cath use at a stall at the

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pregnancy babies and children's expo I

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which will play now the irony of having

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a protest across the Brisbane River

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about a perceived freedom of choice

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so here i am at the brisbane pregnancy

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expose running over three days this

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who's Manning the light for Riley stall

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okay how are you good banks that's good

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light for Riley and what the stalls all

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about sure-lite for Riley began a couple

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of months ago after my baby son Riley

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passed away from whooping cough two days

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after his death the government announced

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that they would provide free booster

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women in their third trimester so we

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thought it would be ideal for us to be

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here at these baby expose to encourage

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all the pregnant women to make that

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choice and get their free whooping cough

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vaccine when they're pregnant it's an

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absolutely amazing thing that you've

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been able to do to just be here you've

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already done the Sydney Expo and I think

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next in a few weeks is the Perth Expo so

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you'll be there as well and I believe

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it's all at your own expense as well

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importance of the third trimester

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for women so and I had the pleasure

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to be honest I was standing back quite a

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bit just staring at you with my mouth

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open I couldn't believe that you were so

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so so brave and so willing to share your

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story so soon after a little little

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Riley passed away and we're all right

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behind you obviously and we we so much

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appreciate what you've done you you are

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no doubt saving other babies lives so as

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well as that like for Riley is accepting

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donations how can people well first of

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all what is the charity you've chosen to

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donate to foot for like four I lee Riley

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from the doctors and the nurses so we

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decided to fundraise for the Princess

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Margaret Hospital Foundation and we had

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the opportunity to meet with researchers

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and we're funding a study that looks at

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antibodies that put us in the

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bloodstream and working out what makes

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somebody I mean and what makes somebody

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not I mean to potosi switch will

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hopefully mean better scheduling for the

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excellent place where people can donate

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some money if if the listeners would

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like to donate to to that cause like for

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Riley how might they go about that if

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you hop on to our Facebook page which is

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facebook.com forward slash light for

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Riley will be a link there where you can

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make a donation thank you so much cat

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Brisbane Expo thank you and here i am

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brisbane skeptic camp how are you Chris

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I'm really excited i love skeptic camp

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yes so do i and it was a great event

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last year at the same location the

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brisbane what are we in though Hamilton

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and it looks like it's going to be a

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good turnout for it too now Chris you

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announcement yet but and hence we're in

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this nice nice little office away from

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everybody we're actually in the disabled

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pretty good acoustics too so can you

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tell us a little bit about this

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announcement that you're going to be

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making tonight yes I'm look I'm really

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excited about this we've been working on

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a project for the last few weeks at

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getting various secular and atheist and

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skeptical communities together on a

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project that is really going to

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hopefully save someone's life there's a

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lot of talk in the Christian community

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about how people without religion

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unethical immoral less charitable and we

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know that's not true we have a member of

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our humanist atheists skeptical

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community here in Queensland called Jody

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Matthews Jody was a founding

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member of the Sunshine Coast atheists

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Warren bonnets Australian book of

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atheism she and her husband adam are

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communities here in Queensland and Adam

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himself is a cancer survivor he had

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cancer for 13 years before going into

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remission 10 years ago Jodi's just 46

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years old and she has stage 4 B cervical

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cancer and its spreading to her other

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organs and its really it's as Heidi it's

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as bad as it gets the good news is that

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there is some hope there are two drugs

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that offer a really good chance for Jodi

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to extend and possibly even save her

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life the first one is called avastin but

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its twenty thousand dollars of course

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it's not covered on the public benefits

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the second is a drug called no volume

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amp and that is only available if Jodi

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can get on to a drug trial run by Yale

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University Medical School in the United

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it's about a hundred thousand dollars so

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even if we can get Jodi on to that trial

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she can't afford to go to the states so

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eighty thousand dollars and I think that

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we can raise it for them so tonight

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cancer and family appeal we have a

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website Jodi Matthews appeal com that's

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Jo de Matthews appeal calm and if you go

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to the website you can read all about

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the Matthews story and their incredible

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fight against cancer three members of

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the family all strucken by cancer and I

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think that we can get together and

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and if you can't donate promote the site

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and let's get our networking power going

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cause and and and for one of our own as

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well an active active members of the

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skeptical and atheist community and I

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guess as well it's it's heartening that

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people are not always looking for

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alternative treatments when it comes to

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cancer as we've seen so often in the

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past with them with people promoting all

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sorts of quack cures and this family

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modern medicine is the way to go and

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this is something that we can all do to

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back them up and and support them in

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getting the best available treatment for

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her so thank you Chris and again if

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thanks Heidi really looking forward to

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it on Manor com do you let's place Tim

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Ferguson right now in history as it's

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time for Tim's historical hypothetical

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I don't know what's going to happen I

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never know with a hypothetical bring it

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on the year is 1928 oh it's a

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hypothetical you are Fleming Alexander

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Fleming aah who's that you go into your

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lab it's not in 28 and you're going into

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your lab but your labs often a jumble

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and you've got a few petri dishes you've

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been doing a few experiments on and you

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doing a bit of a cleanup things are a

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bit messy in there you feel ABS a bit of

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a jumble you're straightening up a pile

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of petri dishes one morning where you've

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been growing some bacteria which is

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piled up on the sink you open up each

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one and you examine it before tossing it

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into the cleaning solution and just as

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you're about to toss one of them is the

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cleaning solution one of them makes you

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stop and say that's funny there's mold

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growing on one of these dishes Fleming

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Alexander Fleming what do you do well I

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use this information to commence what

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could only be described as the greatest

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hoodwinking of the entire planet by

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suggesting that by growing this

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particular well let's call it what it is

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penicillin that I will somehow cause

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healing in the world when really as any

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dingbat stumbling down the street and

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Byron Bay will tell you it was from the

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very beginning a gigantic conspiracy out

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of which I and many many many big

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companies have made trillions of dollars

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so you're saying the whole things are

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fast often the very beginning the whole

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idea that you could give people a

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vaccine and somehow cure them was

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already bumpkin I mean I know that since

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1928 the life expectancy of most people

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on the planet has doubled but that's

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simply because of the hair care products

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so you're suggesting that the action of

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penicillin not item is completely

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placebo Tim Oh completely vers Libre

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it's not really working anybody who's

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ever had an antibiotic will be able to

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tell you didn't work yes I got a better

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in inverted commas but what is that

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thing did you actually become a better

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person I don't think so you're right

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what can that mean that's Tim's

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historical hypothetical where you learn

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something maybe not just one last word

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and by the way please vaccinate if

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on Maynard calm day you in 2014 and as

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covered on the skeptic zone it was my

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great pleasure to speak at the

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Australian paranormal and spiritual Expo

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at the casual of powerhouse I'll be

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there again this year in a couple of

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months more news about that soon but

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while I was there last year I was

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interviewed by the psychic reporter www

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psychic reported calm now this is a

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website as you might imagine normally

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interviews so-called psychics well I was

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very pleased they interviewed me to let

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me put my point of view here are those

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interviews but if you feel so inclined

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you can also check out some of the

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interviews or so-called psychics at

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psychic reporter calm you might find

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hi Richard what's a skeptic skeptics a

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lot of people think of skeptic as

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somebody who won't believe something

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who's made up their mind and is out to

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prove that there are no such things as

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ghosts or psychics and things like that

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that's the cartoon version of a skeptic

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where I come from being a skeptic is

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I'll freely admit I don't think they're

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ago so I don't think people can talk to

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dead people but I am ultimately willing

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to change my mind if enough what

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evidence comes along and that's that's

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the big thing a lot of people don't

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understand we will change our mind sites

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changes its mind every day upon getting

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new information so that's what I try to

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do yeah Richard regarding a skeptic

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right is that paranormal is that

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psychics included ghosts divining

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entities the whole whole whole kitten

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kaboodle basically any claim that

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contradicts the current understanding of

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the laws of physics and all those claims

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contradict the current understanding of

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the laws of physics the laws of physics

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are very well understood their robust

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they survive repeated testing they

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tweaked every now and then when we

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discover something new we might say well

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in this case this is a new information

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to science or fix this so all those

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claims basically fly in the face of the

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polymer surfaces okay and so Richard

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when when we talk about skeptics what do

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you think the average person thinks is

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escaping the average person will

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consider a skeptic to be somebody whose

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mind is made up a close-minded

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commercial fool somebody who won't

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accept something out of their comfort

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zone who's sits in that chair there

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armchair whatever it is and I've met

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some people like that but we don't call

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those people skeptics we call them

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believers so Richard when you see

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something

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how is your mind is your mind neutral

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when you go in or are you looking i know

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this couldn't be true well ideally it

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would be neutral but i'm human i have

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preconceptions if i go into somebody's

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so they talk to the dead and i'm going

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in of course my preconception is i don't

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think they can talk with the dead I

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can't go in with a purely open mind I

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will go in and give them a fair go I'll

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give them a fair opportunity to

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demonstrate talking to the dead water

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divining clairvoyance whatever they want

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to to show but after all these years of

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investigation and testing and nobody has

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yet come up to the mark I have naturally

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have preconceptions how long have you

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been a skeptic for oh well officially

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about 13 or 14 years with the

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organization but trailing back some

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years into my 20s before then just being

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interested in paranormal and UFOs and

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things like that and slowly coming to

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the point of view of well if they're

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real they should be every day they

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should be known they should be there

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should be lots of evidence for if it's

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real why isn't there overwhelming

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evidence for talking to the dead why is

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it that it doesn't stand up to testing

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there must be a reason for that that's

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why I became skeptical so it's so

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Richard when you see a psychic and maybe

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they're a bit unique what are your

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thoughts that there's some things that

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you can't explain some of course that's

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if I could explain everything I would be

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a god of course are things I can't

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explain but the important thing to

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remember is things are unexplained but

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not unexplainable or things haven't been

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explained yet and that's what science is

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all about science loves mysteries can't

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explain it well that's investigate it

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let's get to the root cause of this

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what's really going on to date i've been

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incredibly disappointed with every

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psychic I've ever seen in any context

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because I know the psychological

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interplay of cold reading and I know

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when there's even hot reading involved

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so far no one's been able to impress me

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that's a good question I don't know what

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you should look forward to talking about

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what you should absolutely do is make a

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recording an audio recording most phones

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smartphones can record things now record

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the session go home wait a couple of

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days write down what you remember then

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listen to the recording back and make a

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note of all the times you are asked

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questions and you might be surprised so

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that's that would be right

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recommendation so when you say a

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question it could also be a statement

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couldn't yeah well a statement can turn

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into a question or it can be cleverly

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disguised as a question but these there

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are lots of statements and people will

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remember the things that hit they can

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connect with and we'll forget all the

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things that they don't connect with or

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the vast majority of them so if I say

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and who had the little dog this little

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dog no no no okay but this person with

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the piano all right little dog went

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nowhere later on the person will simply

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forget the digital dog was mentioned at

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all we've seen it again again again it's

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thank you to psychic reported calm for

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the cosmos is amazing world famous

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astrophysicist dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

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is touring Australia this August

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inspirational smart and funny he'll take

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you on his personal tour of the universe

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there are still more questions to be

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explored Melbourne Brisbane sydney and

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canberra marks the date in your cosmic

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calendar for this once-in-a-lifetime

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experience tickets on sale now are

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thinking to Aldo de you welcome to a

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week in science from arias bringing you

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the science you need to know does this

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sound familiar why is it that some of us

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roll over to sneak a peek at the alarm

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clock only to find it's about to go off

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why do some of us have this uncanny

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ability it all boils down to your body

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wanting to be cruel to be kind it's

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better to wake yourself up than to be

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jarred awake by an alarm clock how does

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that work the cluster of nerves that

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controls your body clock is called the

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suprachiasmatic nucleus and it's located

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in the hypothalamus it responds to a

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wide range of stimuli like darkness to

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release hormones like melatonin to tell

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your body to wind down and make you

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sleepy when you fall asleep you

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experience sleep cycles of roughly 90

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minutes with several stages including

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rapid eye movement or REM sleep which is

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when you dream about an hour before you

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wake up body temperature and blood

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pressure rise and your brain releases

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the protein PE R which then releases

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stress hormones this might sound like a

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bad thing but it just makes your sleep

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there are two reasons why PR should

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start being released around about that

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time you are either very regular in your

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sleep schedule or you have an unusually

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early start coming up research has

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proved this in a sleep study by telling

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some subjects they'll be woken up at 6am

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and others that they'll be woken up at

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nine they then woke everybody up at six

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the ones who are expecting a 9am wake up

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work groggy while those expecting a 6am

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start had higher levels of stress

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hormones but why do we wake up precisely

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as the alarm clock is about to go off

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that's still a bit of a mystery here's

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four fast facts about your body clock

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your body clock is more technically

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known as your circadian rhythm animals

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and even plants have circadian rhythms

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altering your body clock like when you

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have jet lag is called entrainment your

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body temperature is lowest in the

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morning just before you wake up and

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highest in the late afternoon that's it

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for this a week in science for more

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information on circadian rhythms in your

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body clock cut the our oils website RI

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aus ok you follow us on twitter at arias

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and like us on facebook i'm paul willis

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2009 was the international year of

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astronomy I was very pleased to

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contribute to the 365 days of astronomy

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podcast as a coincidence that year I was

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asked to appear on the Sun Rise Program

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in Australia sunrise morning TV program

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to debate astronomy I went to the TV

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studio and was seated in a honey area up

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near the control room I'm not sure why

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below me in the studio was the host

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David caution and somewhere else by a

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video was astrologer and psychic Milton

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black now I've had a lot of requests to

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play this clip on the podcast although

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it's available on youtube if you just

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Google Richard Saunders talks astrology

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you should be able to find the clip but

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this is an occasion where I knew who I'd

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be talking with or debating if you'd

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like and I prepared anyway this was the

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20 minutes a nine o'clock well plenty of

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people check their horoscope each day

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while for some it's just a bit of fun

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others plan their lives by it but is

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there any truth to astrology and Our

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Stars i'm joined by lady astrologer

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milton black and Richard Saunders from

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Australian skeptics good morning to you

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both down Milton Milton astrology began

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thousands of years ago when people

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looked at the Stars but is there much

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truth to it that you can run your live

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piatt well you don't actually run your

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life by you actually look at it as a

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guide basically the planet's influence

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but they don't compel you to do things

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and all an astrologer is basically is a

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navigator it's like going to the sydney

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to hobart yacht race and have a gator

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says we turn right here we tack there we

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do this and an astrologist that's

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exactly the same in the sea of destiny

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ok but but that means there's a link

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between your life and the stars yes it

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is as far as astrologers are concerned

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there is it's it's not a mundane science

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like some skeptics think it is it's

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basically in that and what the astrology

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is doing is putting the the stars or the

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planners into a pattern in their destiny

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and interpreting them and giving them an

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idea of their going on the right

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direction or not all right rajendra moon

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affects the tides is there any

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possibility of the Stars and the planets

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could affect us to a new degree in fact

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the camera you're looking at right now

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has far greater effect on you in any

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physical sense than all the planets

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combined but it's interesting this is

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the international year of astronomy so

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Milton it's time to put down your

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horoscope and pick up your telescope

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astronomy is astronomy shows us the

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universe of wonder of beauty and

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excitement far greater than any psychic

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or astrology fantasy well Richard I'll

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just explain I think the astronomers

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sincerely because if it wasn't for their

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ephemeris is that they put out

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astrologers would be out of business

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it's as simple as now astrologers would

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keep going no matter what we call them

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out

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we've got to basically know where the

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planets are and it's the astronomers

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that actually put the ephemeris out and

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tell us what position that planet is in

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at that time and that's important

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because if we don't know that we can't

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predict oh yes you can you could just

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make it up as you go along I wish we

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could but hang on but milind some of the

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beer the astrology predictions that you

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read in the paper and magazines just

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seem so general I could apply to anyone

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yes I agree with you entirely on that

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caution because look the magazines in

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the the papers are basically an

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entertainment type of situation and give

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you a guide on the Sun science for the

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day or the week but you've got to go to

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a professional astrologist sit down work

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out the time about the place of birth

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longitude and latitude where that person

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was born then the astrology gets down to

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the nitty-gritty and can tell you all

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about just okay all right we put you to

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the test we've given you Richards chart

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all the details and tell us what does it

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00:31:00,960 --> 00:30:58,840
show well actually you haven't given me

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Richards chap at all what you've given

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me is Matt and dr. Martin bridgfords

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chart and this is what i did with

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mountains so i'm going to tell you about

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matt not Richard well of course Milton

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what uses that I mean you can say

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anything you like and who's he's not

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correct you know I didn't get you see I

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spent all last night doing the birth

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date of mountains horoscope and of

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course I got his correct time his date

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of birth and everything Milton you're

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00:31:31,290 --> 00:31:29,200
also billed as Astros lijing leading

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00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:31,300
psychic didn't you know it would be me

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today no that's that's not true the

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thing is you always thought you're not

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really psychic it says that on the oil

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sauna larger more of an astrologer and

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psychic guy's face I suppose they put

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the two together okay go straight what's

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00:31:51,090 --> 00:31:49,420
your birthday who is martyred dr. Martin

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bridge stock is a leading skeptic from

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00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:52,990
Queensland but he's not here how can he

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00:31:56,910 --> 00:31:55,330
possibly confirm or deny anything that

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00:31:59,160 --> 00:31:56,920
Milton comes up with well that's the

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birthday dog was given and I thought he

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was gonna be on this morning so I'm

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00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:02,140
sorry about that was what your birthday

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00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:03,250
didn't yell let's take it from the time

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I my birth date is the 28th 1165 the

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28th the November that makes me a what

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okay or it makes you a Sagittarian no it

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00:32:19,150 --> 00:32:16,070
doesn't Milton that we where her son was

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00:32:22,060 --> 00:32:19,160
at the moment I was born the son is

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00:32:24,370 --> 00:32:22,070
clearly in the sign of scorpio how can

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00:32:26,260 --> 00:32:24,380
you get it that right no it's you're a

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00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:26,270
Sagittarian now he's got Scorpio on the

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00:32:29,770 --> 00:32:28,370
ascendant that's what you've got at born

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00:32:31,870 --> 00:32:29,780
it's what four o'clock in the morning

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00:32:33,310 --> 00:32:31,880
how did you know that because that's the

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information I gave to the producers

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00:32:38,289 --> 00:32:35,750
aren't there you go on that they

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00:32:39,549 --> 00:32:38,299
eventually what you see with what you

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00:32:41,620 --> 00:32:39,559
see with Richard is not what you really

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00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:41,630
get because deep down is quite a

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00:32:46,990 --> 00:32:44,210
secretive type of us now as a kid as a

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00:32:49,149 --> 00:32:47,000
kid he actually drove his teachers his

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00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:49,159
parents everybody crazy and the reason

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00:32:52,299 --> 00:32:50,450
for this is because he's got an

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00:32:54,250 --> 00:32:52,309
inquisitive mind now he's a very

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00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:54,260
nostalgic guy he lives in the past a

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00:32:58,899 --> 00:32:56,090
little bit but the fact is that's fine

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00:33:01,240 --> 00:32:58,909
but he's basically a guy that always

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00:33:02,830 --> 00:33:01,250
wants know very very curious but the

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00:33:05,890 --> 00:33:02,840
travelers he's always looking for

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00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:05,900
fingers kashi now if I rest met Richard

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00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:08,450
saying about six years up the track and

706
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:09,919
said hi Richard how you going he said

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00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:11,600
fine thanks Bill have you found what

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00:33:14,260 --> 00:33:13,130
you're looking for you this is no but

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00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:14,270
i'm still looking around the corner here

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00:33:18,399 --> 00:33:16,370
because he's always looking for

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00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:18,409
something new to do and i think

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00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:20,450
basically on that date he's got a good

713
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:23,600
horoscope hear that but Milton if you're

714
00:33:27,789 --> 00:33:25,730
such a good astrologer why are you using

715
00:33:29,710 --> 00:33:27,799
cold reading and Barnum statements I

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00:33:31,419 --> 00:33:29,720
mean the only magician can do that we've

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00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:31,429
got books to teach it how to do exactly

718
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:33,370
the statements you've just told me now

719
00:33:37,419 --> 00:33:35,600
actually Richard barn when you're a

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00:33:39,130 --> 00:33:37,429
professional like me 40 years in the

721
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:39,140
business you can come to these

722
00:33:42,580 --> 00:33:40,970
situations all right see all right

723
00:33:44,890 --> 00:33:42,590
listen Newton I'm going to challenge you

724
00:33:46,930 --> 00:33:44,900
directly we can give you the birth dates

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00:33:48,909 --> 00:33:46,940
of six people six people who believe in

726
00:33:50,350 --> 00:33:48,919
astrology and we can see how accurate

727
00:33:52,090 --> 00:33:50,360
you are will you take me up on that

728
00:33:53,710 --> 00:33:52,100
challenge oh not not this morning not

729
00:33:55,690 --> 00:33:53,720
right because I'd have to sit down and

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00:33:58,060 --> 00:33:55,700
do that you know there's a future in the

731
00:33:59,649 --> 00:33:58,070
future I'd be very happy everything in

732
00:34:01,390 --> 00:33:59,659
the future I hope you will take that

733
00:34:04,539 --> 00:34:01,400
later in the week or next week and see

734
00:34:05,770 --> 00:34:04,549
how you go all right guys well we'll

735
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:05,780
check back with you then thanks for

736
00:34:08,919 --> 00:34:07,039
joining us this morning so you're

737
00:34:11,590 --> 00:34:08,929
welcome if you'd like more information

738
00:34:13,690 --> 00:34:11,600
on Milton's astrology or Australian

739
00:34:16,750 --> 00:34:13,700
skeptics or who on earth Martin is

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00:34:18,669 --> 00:34:16,760
details are on our website I'm just as

741
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:18,679
confused after nine on the morning shout

742
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:35,890
from The Skeptical Society of similar

743
00:34:41,710 --> 00:34:39,200
lists on Saturday August the 22nd The

744
00:34:44,050 --> 00:34:41,720
Skeptical Society of San Luis will be

745
00:34:47,130 --> 00:34:44,060
holding the region's third skeptic camp

746
00:34:50,380 --> 00:34:47,140
at the ethical Society starting at 9am

747
00:34:53,940 --> 00:34:50,390
this year's event includes presentations

748
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:53,950
on topics as diverse as anti-vaccination

749
00:35:01,180 --> 00:34:57,610
creationism urology climate change

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00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:01,190
financial scepticism child psychology

751
00:35:07,090 --> 00:35:04,450
the Fukushima disaster incorporating

752
00:35:09,730 --> 00:35:07,100
skepticism and critical thinking into

753
00:35:13,060 --> 00:35:09,740
the classroom the psychology of magic

754
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:13,070
solar energy stuff your massage

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00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:17,290
therapist tells you anthropology

756
00:35:23,170 --> 00:35:21,440
nonprofit myths and more we will also be

757
00:35:25,210 --> 00:35:23,180
presenting a screening of the

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00:35:28,540 --> 00:35:25,220
vaccination chronicles by Richard

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00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:28,550
Saunders well that's me pizza will be

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00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:31,130
available oh I'll repeat that pizza will

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00:35:35,470 --> 00:35:33,200
be available for lunch and there will be

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00:35:38,350 --> 00:35:35,480
skeptics in the pub following the event

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00:35:41,580 --> 00:35:38,360
a silent auction for a signed copy of

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00:35:44,830 --> 00:35:41,590
bill Nyes latest book undeniable and

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00:35:46,830 --> 00:35:44,840
skeptical / scientific jewelry from

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ceramics will be available for purchase

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00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:49,160
the auction and a portion of the

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00:35:53,890 --> 00:35:51,530
proceedings from the jewelry will help

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00:35:56,590 --> 00:35:53,900
the skeptical Society of st. Louis

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00:35:59,230 --> 00:35:56,600
continue to promote science and critical

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00:36:03,010 --> 00:35:59,240
thinking in the San Luis community the

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00:36:04,660 --> 00:36:03,020
event is free and open to the public you

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00:36:09,370 --> 00:36:04,670
can find more information about the

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00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:09,380
event at the website wwc a pedicle stl

775
00:36:16,570 --> 00:36:13,570
calm / skeptic camp or by searching for

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00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:16,580
skeptical Society of San Luis on

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00:36:21,460 --> 00:36:18,770
facebook or meet up let's go for a big

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00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:21,470
turnout on Saturday the twenty-second of

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00:36:43,890 --> 00:36:41,100
thank you for listening to the skeptic

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00:36:47,490 --> 00:36:43,900
zone this week a little bit of a mix and

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00:36:49,050 --> 00:36:47,500
match episode next week the skeptic zone

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00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:49,060
will come to you from the amazing

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00:36:53,490 --> 00:36:51,250
meeting or just after or just before

784
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:53,500
depending on time zones I'm not sure how

785
00:36:58,920 --> 00:36:55,810
it works sometimes I hope to interview

786
00:37:02,100 --> 00:36:58,930
all sorts of people at the amazing

787
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:02,110
meeting from delegates to special guests

788
00:37:07,110 --> 00:37:05,050
the scientists to who knows who knows

789
00:37:08,490 --> 00:37:07,120
it's always a surprise and again if

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00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:08,500
you're at the amazing meeting please

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00:37:12,930 --> 00:37:09,910
come up and say hello there'll be a

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00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:12,940
skeptic zone table which I hope to be at

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00:37:18,330 --> 00:37:15,010
for a lot of the time when i'm not busy

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00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:18,340
doing panels or workshops or whatever

795
00:37:23,550 --> 00:37:20,890
else and there'll be other australian

796
00:37:27,180 --> 00:37:23,560
skeptics for you to meet as well looking

797
00:37:29,070 --> 00:37:27,190
forward to it as i do every year but for

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00:37:36,030 --> 00:37:29,080
now this is Richard Saunders signing off

799
00:37:37,650 --> 00:37:36,040
from the Bay Area San Francisco you've

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the skeptic zone is an independent

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production the views and opinions

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expressed on the skeptic zone and not

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necessarily those of Australian